Yeshua (Jesus) Died? Is it Possible for God to Die?

Apr 24, 2015 | General |

Here’s a hint: Yeshua died, but God didn’t

This article is one of many simple common sense rebuttals of the”God in the flesh” Messiah concept promoted by contemporary Christianity and counterfeit Messianism.  In it I will directly confront what is perhaps the most blasphemous implication resulting from the false “God in the flesh” doctrine. As is the general rule in this site, I prefer to often use Messiah’s real name, Yeshua, instead of the incorrect name church tradition promotes of “Jesus.”

Mt 16:21 (KJV)
21 From that time forth began Yeshua to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Parallels Mark 8:31, 9:31,32, 10:32-34 Luke 9:22,31,44,45, 18:31-34

So, here we see that Yeshua the Messiah most definitely did die!  Well, if he is G-d, that means G-d can die. Umm?  Let’s see what the Scriptures say about that.

Deuteronomy 32:39-40 KJV
39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
Psalm 90:2 KJV
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psalm 102:27 KJV
27 But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
1 Timothy 6:16 KJV
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting.  Amen.
(A side note:  Though it is a topic for a separate study, please notice how Paul directly states that “no man hath seen, nor can see” God.  Similar statement are found in 1 Timothy 1:17  where Paul refers to the Eternal One as the “invisible” God.  Each of those statements to Timothy were penned long after Messiah had lived, died, and been resurrected.  Like wise, 1 John 4:12, directly states that “no man hath seen God at any time.”  Thus, since Yeshua (Jesus) had definitely been seen by many people, yet God cannot be seen,  then Yeshua was and is definitely NOT “God in the flesh”.)

It is very clear.  God obviously cannot die.

Let me enlighten all those who believe Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah is God.

God has not, will not, and cannot die!

Step outside during a moonless cloudless night and look heavenward.  The stars you see represent only an infinitesimally small fraction of the marvelous works or our glorious Creator God – the very same “God” contemporary Christians and counterfeit Messianics show no hesitation to announce as having been killed by being “nailed to the cross.”  In fact, the concept that God died (paid the price) for our sins so that we don’t have to” is a permanent fixture in the minds of many deceived Christians and counterfeit Messianics.

Not true you say?  Well, contemporary Christians and counterfeit Messianics correctly state that “Yeshua (Jesus) died (paid the price) for our sins so that we don’t have to.”  However, since they believe Yeshua (or Jesus) is “God in the flesh,” they actually explicitly intend to say God died for our sins so that we don’t have to.”  This is a sure fact of their distorted understanding of Scripture regardless of their hesitancy to sometimes admit it openly. Some, however, actually do admit it openly and feel they are in some twisted way glorifying God.  What they do not realize is they are actually seriously blaspheming God and desecrating His Name.

There truly are many Christians who shamelessly, fearlessly, and openly promote that God indeed can and did die.  They will point to verses such as the following for their meager proof:

Acts 20:28 (KJV)
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

However, the passage can also be translated as shown in the NET Bible:

Acts 20:28 (NET)
28 Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.

What makes the NET the best Bible translation around, in my opinion, is the wealth of detailed translator notes which are presented within it.  Give attention to the explanatory translator note which accompanies the phrase “his own Son”.

tn Or “with his own blood”; Grk “with the blood of his own.” The genitive construction could be taken in two ways: (1) as an attributive genitive (second attributive position) meaning “his own blood”; or (2) as a possessive genitive, “with the blood of his own.” In this case the referent is the Son, and the referent has been specified in the translation for clarity. See further C. F. DeVine, “The Blood of God,” CBQ 9 (1947): 381–408.

sn That he obtained with the blood of his own Son. This is one of only two explicit statements in Luke-Acts highlighting the substitutionary nature of Christ’s death (the other is in Luke 22:19).

Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible. Biblical Studies Press.

In other words, my friend, the correct rendering is “… God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son.”  The note shown above makes it clear that “referent” is Yeshua; therefore, correct grammar requires the passage to be translated as the NET presents.  Unfortunately, biased translators more often that not use the incorrect rendering, but their choice is largely driven by the “God in the flesh” bias or presumption that guides their translation decisions.

Next time someone attempts to use Acts 20:28 to prove that God can die, show them the other renderings of the verse.  It is unlikely that they will release their grip on their idolatrous belief.  Therefore, be gracious and suggests to them that, at best, the verse in inconclusive.  They will likely still refuse to release their grip on idolatry.  At that point, “wipe the dust from your feet” and cease trying since they prove themselves to be beyond the reach of reason.  As Thomas Paine said:

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.”

As an example of someone who is beyond the reach of reason, note the following quote from a contemporary Christian who attempted to respond to the issue I raise in this article.

“…if YHWH cannot take flesh, die and resurrect Himself, He is not omnipotent.  He can’t really be God.”

People like him are, indeed, usually far beyond the reach of reason.  Such grotesque appeals to God’s “sovereignty,” “omnipotence”, etc., as though they are glorifying God by claiming that he can die, are common among those who refuse to release the eternal-death grip on their blasphemous beliefs.  In fact, such irreverent appeals to “omnipotence” are second only to the infamous ejection device of the “unexplainable mystery” as the primary proof put forth by man-God promoters in their attempts to wiggle free from the irreverence and absence of common sense inherent in their “God in the flesh” Messiah arguments.

I can understand how the average Christian and counterfeit Messianic, who have not pondered the implications of the false man-God Messiah concept, may innocently accept that God can die.  There are millions who are sincere but have simply not fully considered the serious blasphemy, inconsistency, and unscriptural absurdity regarding the issue of the alleged deity of Messiah.  However, for someone who claims a high level of Scriptural knowledge (as the individual just quoted does) to proclaim with careful and intentional forethought that God can die shows how he and others like him lack even the most basic conceptural grasp of the Almighty Creator.  He is a classic example of those to whom the apostle Sha’ul (Paul) was referring when he stated:

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (NASB)
7 For the mystery of lawlessness (anti-Torah or anti-Law) is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.  8 And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; 9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, 10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.  11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, 12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Amen brother Paul!

Those who do not love the actual Torah-based truth (versus the counterfeit Messianic version) are deluded, believe the false “God in the flesh” doctrine, and take pleasure in the wickedness of promoting it.

Teaching or believing that the Almighty, Eternal, Infinite Creator can die or be killed is the most extreme example of outright blasphemy against the Eternal God that is possible to imagine and demonstrates the tragic failure of most Christians and counterfeit Messianics to grasp the awesome and invincible nature of the True God. The only example that approaches such a despicable thought is the teaching that God can be enticed to sin, which I discuss in a separate article.

Take heed and soberly ponder the seriousness

It would be wise for you to ponder the fact that God cannot die.  The failure to grasp a basic understanding of the Infinite Creator God is fundamental to false doctrine. Sadly, millions of naive people zealously accept and proclaim such outrageous unscriptural doctrines.

The level of irreverence often shown by many contemporary Christians and counterfeit Messianics towards the ONE and ONLY Creator God is nothing short of astounding.

I realize that the vast majority, due to Christianity’s and counterfeit Messianism’s teachings, are sincerely ignorant of the horrendous depth of error implicit in their belief that Messiah is God yet, nevertheless, died.  Most Christians and Messianics do not intend to blaspheme God and are earnest in their belief.  However, they have not really pondered how terribly wrong they are in their belief that God can – and did – die.

I do not judge as condemned those who disagree with me, since I feel they are simply uninformed and brainwashed by the spirit of delusion and because we are strongly commanded to never, ever judge anyone as being eternally condemned – only God and the one He commissions have the authority to eternally judge.

Oddly however, those who promote the notion God did and can die (Christian and counterfeit Messianic leaders) often show no fear of God as they take upon themselves the office of eternal judge and forcefully “condemn to hell” those like myself who staunchly stand by our firm and true conviction that God has not, cannot, and will not die and that Messiah is not God.

Some people, such as the person I quoted previously, have the flippant audacity to dare suggested that I need to furnish more passages than I provided at the start of this discussion to prove God cannot die.

The eagerness some people have to promote that God, as Messiah, can be killed is shocking.  Anyone requiring more proof of God’s immortal, infinite, invincible, timeless, and eternal nature is beyond hope.

Were God not to exist or be killed the creation itself would cease to exist.  Were God to die time would stop and all that is would cease to be and revert to nothingness.  Yet Christians and counterfeit Messianics are actually often zealous in their promotion that God died.  The very thought of such a disgusting, demonic concept enrages me and strengthens my resolve to oppose the anti-God teaching that Messiah died yet is God.

I will not devote much time to the evil notion that God can die.  It is to me – though not to most contemporary Christians and counterfeit Messianics – an abomination to even think such a thought.  God cannot die; however, since Satan cannot kill God – his Creator also – he (satan) does the next best thing by promoting the lie that God can be killed.

The very Romans who killed the Messiah that was resurrected by his God – the only true God – later created a religion in Rome (contemporary Christianity) that is based upon the mystery Babylon pagan faith.  That false faith has now effectively killed God in the minds of those who are adherents to it.

God cannot be killed.  Yeshua was killed.  Therefore, using NECESSARY inference and common sense, Yeshua is not God.

No more proof is required to prove Messiah is not God to those who are sincere and who truly revere God.

Anyone who can’t see this is hopelessly drunk on the wine of the great Harlot of Revelation and has been brainwashed into a catatonic state by the emissaries of falsehood who present themselves as “angels of light.”

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (NASB)
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their deeds.

Regardless of the “mystery” arguments one may put forth, the fact remains – if Yeshua is God; then God died.  It doesn’t matter how one defines, categorizes, or subdivides God’s “essence” or “substance” or “nature” or “hypostasis” or “emanations” – the fact is Yeshua died and God cannot die.  No amount of verbal gymnastics, regardless of how zealous and intricately worded they are, can avoid that simple fact.

I can imagine a typical discussion between a traditional Christian or counterfeit Messianic and a worshiper of the true God may proceed as follows.

Contemporary Christian:  “God took upon himself the form of a man, “Jesus Christ”, and died for the sins of the world.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  God can’t die!

 

Contemporary Christian:  “But you don’t understand. It was actually God’s son that died.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “First, you misunderstand the meaning of ‘son of God’ and need to study that issue. Don’t you believe Jesus is God?  Don’t you believe Jesus is co-equal with God?  Don’t you believe Jesus is the actual Creator?”

 

Contemporary Christian:  “Yes.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “Well, then you as still saying God, as Jesus, can die.  God can’t die!

 

Contemporary Christian:  “But you don’t understand.  It wasn’t God.  It was his son that died after he took on human form.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “But you say the human son is God as well as human.  Sounds to me like you are promoting at least 2 separate Gods and that one of those Gods died.  Sounds like you are also saying God is flesh and blood.”

 

Contemporary Christian:   “No. Well, yes. Well, Jesus is “God in the flesh,” but there is only one God. God the Father and God the Son are the same God. It was God the son that died.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “The term “God the son” is NOWHERE found in Scripture!  You say the Son of God is actually God the son; so, you still are saying God can die.  But God can’t die!

 

Contemporary Christian:  “Well, Christ is only – sort of – a part of God, and that part of God is what actually was able to die.  Only part of the ‘nature’ of God died in Messiah – part of the ten sefirot or emanations of God.  At least that’s what my Kabbalistic Messianic ‘rabbi’ tells me.  He says, ‘Yeshua is the visible image and full spiritual embodiment of the Attributes (Sefirot) of the invisible Eternal (Ein Sof).'”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “First, your Messianic rabbi doesn’t know what he is talking about and is severely distorting what is taught within legitimate Kabbalah, an unfortunately common  occurrence within counterfeit Messianic Judaism.  So, you’re saying that only part of God died, but you are also saying Jesus is fully God and co-equal?”

 

Contemporary Christian:  “Yes.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “Understand this my friend. Not only can God NOT die, but no PART of God can die!  Your Messianic ‘rabbi’ is wrong and simply trying to rephrase the age-old “mystery” lie of the Trinity.

If we accept your understanding of God, then the argument isn’t over whether or not God can die, but becomes an argument over how much of God can die.  Therefore, you still say God can die.  However, in reality you are saying all of God died because you insist Jesus is God and is co-equal to God. Even your counterfeit Messianic ‘rabbi’ actually teaches this since he says Messiah is the ‘full spiritual embodiment of the Attributes (Sefirot) of the invisible Eternal (Ein Sof).’

You need to get your facts straight and your faith even straighter.  No matter how you twist it, you are still promoting that God can die or partially die. You are blaspheming the Almighty Creator!  God can’t die!

 

Contemporary Christian:  “Oh. well…ummm………No, I know God can’t die, but…….ummm………well………Oh! I’ll get my pastor or Messianic rabbi to explain it to you.”

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “So, you can’t explain it?”

 

Contemporary Christian:  “No.  It’s an unexplainable mystery and part of the mystic nature of God.”  (This is where the promoters of falsehood eject from the debate using the “mystery” or a distorted version of Kabbalah.)

 

Worshiper of the TRUE God:  “Well, I can easily explain my opinion without resorting to the ejection button of ‘mystery’ or distorted Messianic ‘Kabbalah.’

I tell you what.  When you decide to take your brain back from your pastor or rabbi and think for yourself using the common sense God gave humans, come back and we’ll talk.  But you will discover that even your pastor or self anointed ‘rabbi’ cannot explain it.  Regardless of how you try to escape it, you are clearly teaching that God can die.  Wake up!  GOD CANNOT DIE!

If you accept the lie of the Trinity or any sort of “God in the flesh” Messiah; then, you are explicitly promoting that God can be killed.

The time is approaching for true monotheistic followers of Yeshua the Messiah to “wipe the dust from your feet” and stop trying to convince those who stubbornly cling to evil traditions.  The time for entertaining profane “mysteries” that try to explain how a perfectly Holy and eternal God can die or be enticed to sin (Matt. 4:1-10) is rapidly approaching an end.

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